BigFred told me GBA BOX seral is always different from CART serial.
But accordig to Devis0r thay have the same serial.
There are two serials on the box:
one on the back, totally different from the CART
one on the side, generally identical to the CART serial
Need to clarify the matter, who can help?
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ Dopefish on 31st December 2006, 12:48 wrote:
I always wondered how we should handle this!
I changed several entries lately, for example the packaging serial of Monsters Inc (UE) from "AGB-AMXP-UKV" to "AGB-AMXP-EUR" whereas the serial from the actual cart stayed "AGB-AMXP-UKV", which is correct.
Another example are Devis0r's AUS carts. In his Wario Ware Twisted entry for packaging he wrote "AGB-RZWE-AUS" and for the cart the same. I agree to the cart serial, but the packaging serial should be "AGB-RZWE-USA" instead. The other case is when it has a serial like "AGB-XXXU-AUS". Then it's definetely a real AUS cart.
I hope someone can make this clear so we know how to do it in the future...
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ michal99 on 31st December 2006, 13:07 wrote:
Name: Final Fight One
Card: AGB-AFFP-EUR
Box upper flips: AGB-AFFP-EUR
Box back: AGB-AFFP-EUR
Name: Boktai - The Sun is in Your Hand
Card: AGB-U3IP-EUR
Box upper flips: AGB-U3IP-EUR
Box back: AGB P U3IP
Name: Gunstar Future Heroes
Card: AGB-BHGP-EUR
Box upper flips: AGB-BHGP-UKV
Box back: AGB P BHGP
Name: Fire Emblem
Card: AGB-AE7X-EUR
Box upper flips: AGB-AE7X-NFHUG
Box back: AGB P AE7X
Name: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Card: AGB-ATHP-EUR
Box upper flips: AGB-ATHP-UKV
Box back: CGB-P-ATHP
--- Game Boy Color ---
Name: Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
Card: CGB-AQOP-EUR
Box upper flips: CGB-AQOP-EUR
Box back: CGB P AQOP
Name: Carmageddon
Card: CGB-AKWP-EUR
Box upper flips: CGB-AKWP-EUR
Box back: CGB P AKWP
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Box upper flips are the left and right flip when you open the box.
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ kazumi213 on 31st December 2006, 13:09 wrote:
Sorry, these are just my thoughts.
What I don't understand is why both serials are different in some cases. I mean, maybe this is just because they don't want to spare money making dedicated boxes. Being this the case (not sure of course), they are not following any "justified" reason to do that. In that case box serial, when being different from cart serial, is not a distinctive info, neither relevant. It is just a business decision and should be ignored.
EDIT: From michal99 examples, it seems there is no "standard". That AGB-AE7X-NFHUG for Fire Emblem is crazy and CGB-P-ATHP for THPS2 is clearly a printing typo. So unless we have access to the real things, box serial info is gonna be tricky to fill in.
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ Dopefish on 31st December 2006, 13:46 wrote:
That means we have to recheck all the games we added so far if they have the correct packaging serial.Box upper flips are the left and right flip when you open the box.
There are two problems then:
1. What should we do if you don't have the box? I bought some games from a second hand shop without any packaging or manual. I guess leaving this field open or just a "-" or "?" would do.
2. Which serial should we add now: the serial from the back or the serial from the flips (which can indeed be different)?
EDIT: I know that this is also a general discussion, but shouldn't this thread be in the verification project's corner nonetheless?
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ michal99 on 31st December 2006, 13:55 wrote:
AGB-AE7X-NFHUG for Fire Emblem means language same code is on the manual.EDIT: From michal99 examples, it seems there is no "standard". That AGB-AE7X-NFHUG for Fire Emblem is crazy and CGB-P-ATHP for THPS2 is clearly a printing typo. So unless we have access to the real things, box serial info is gonna be tricky to fill in.
EDIT: And for the THPS2 should be box from Color version or something. It is from 2000 when Game Boy Color was not dead yet and there is Game Boy Advance screen above the barcode and serial number.
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ kazumi213 on 31st December 2006, 14:38 wrote:
Thanks, I guessed that, but (irrelevant thoughts follow) I could't figure the association:AGB-AE7X-NFHUG for Fire Emblem means language same code is on the manual.
EDIT: And for the THPS2 should be box from Color version or something. It is from 2000 when Game Boy Color was not dead yet and there is Game Boy Advance screen above the barcode and serial number.
Fire Emblem X is Eng-Fre-Ger (U, F and G in NFHUG?)
Fire Emblem Y is Eng-Ita-Spa (U, N for ItaliaN?, H for Hispanic? in NFHUG?)
For THPS2, your example is the paradigm of "why are we going to spend (not spare, sorry), money in making a dedicated box?" thingy I was suggesting above.
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ Devis0r on 1st January 2007, 03:40 wrote:
First of all, I said they were different, and according to you BigFred said they were always the same. I spoke with BigFred about it and he agrees with me that they are sometimes different. We don't know where you got that idea that it was the sameBigFred told me GBA BOX seral is always different from CART serial.
But accordig to Devis0r thay have the same serial.
Monsters, Inc. has UKV on the box and on the cart. I can get you a photo if you want?I changed several entries lately, for example the packaging serial of Monsters Inc game from "AGB-AMXP-UKV" to "AGB-AMXP-EUR" whereas the serial from the actual cart stayed "AGB-AMXP-UKV", which is correct.
Also, Monsters, Inc. has two other versions, so UKV for the UE serial is understandable, thus your edit has been reverted.
"AGB-RZWE-AUS" is on the box and cart.Another example are Devis0r's AUS carts. In his Wario entry for packaging he wrote "AGB-RZWE-AUS" and for the cart the same. I agree to the cart serial, but the packaging serial should be "AGB-RZWE-USA" instead. The other case is when it has a serial like "AGB-XXXU-AUS". Then it's definetely a real AUS cart.
Once again, I will say this: the last segment of the serial is bullshit, it can be completely ignored, it does nothing to the ROM. It's just states the intended country or region for which the box is to be printed and sold. In order to keep authenticity, I suggest you stop changing them unless you can verify them yourself.
Keeping the box serial as it is is the best choice. What if there are multiple Euro versions of a game and you don't know which one is from where? Look at the box serial, it'll give you the intended region distribution. eg. Game X has only English language and has box serial of UKV or EUR. Game Y has French, German, Italian, Spanish, etc. the box serial would be EUR or whatever.
Sorry if it sounds harsh, I'm hung over, hungry and haven't slept since early Thursday
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ Dopefish on 1st January 2007, 11:12 wrote:
Maybe Y~K was already drunk when he wrote thisFirst of all, I said they were different, and according to you BigFred said they were always the same. I spoke with BigFred about it and he agrees with me that they are sometimes different. We don't know where you got that idea that it was the same
I agree, but I'm too lazy to find out when I edited what. Does anyone know how to revert all changes I made to the serials lately? Seems like it was a really bad idea, sorry!Monsters, Inc. has UKV on the box and on the cart. I can get you a photo if you want?
Also, Monsters, Inc. has two other versions, so UKV for the UE serial is understandable, thus your edit has been reverted.
Again, you're right! It was a bad idea to change it, because I don't have the box and therefore can't confirm which serial is right. I'll stop editing other people's entries at once. From now on I only change my own entries"AGB-RZWE-AUS" is on the box and cart.
Once again, I will say this: the last segment of the serial is bullshit, it can be completely ignored, it does nothing to the ROM. It's just states the intended country or region for which the box is to be printed and sold. In order to keep authenticity, I suggest you stop changing them unless you can verify them yourself.
Keeping the box serial as it is is the best choice. What if there are multiple Euro versions of a game and you don't know which one is from where? Look at the box serial, it'll give you the intended region distribution. eg. Game X has only English language and has box serial of UKV or EUR. Game Y has French, German, Italian, Spanish, etc. the box serial would be EUR or whatever.
Sorry if it sounds harsh, I'm hung over, hungry and haven't slept since early Thursday
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ Sir VG on 25th January 2007, 09:43 wrote:
Generally, they're the same, but not always. Like my recent game I received, Alex Rider - Stormbreaker, had BAWX on the box and BAWP on the cart and the internal was BAWX (or something like that). 99% of the time I find the box and cart to be the same though.BigFred told me GBA BOX seral is always different from CART serial.
But accordig to Devis0r thay have the same serial.
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Re: GBA BOX Serial \ BigFred on 25th January 2007, 16:22 wrote:
I'm not referring to the middle part only but the complete structure of the serial which is different.
AGB-BHGP-EUR and
AGB P BHGP
are not the same. I tried to explain this. The definition of "the same" has to be clearified. The important part = game identifier is the same though in this and in most but not all cases.
few cases appear to exist where they are completely the same - see Final Fight. My mistake!