Hi all.
Here's a SNES DAT which features:
- No-Intro naming, as of NGEfreak 20071019 DAT
- Parent-Clone relations
- ROM merging support
- Regional parents support (one game, one ROM list generation option according to user region preference)
See included readme.
tetsuo55 and I hope you like it.
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ tetsuo55 on 11th October 2007, 12:53 wrote:
I do i do!!
finally we have it finished for everyone to enjoy!!
Now world domination can really begin!
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ prince albert on 12th October 2007, 02:53 wrote:
This has too many differences to my merged set to list, so I'll post the Files log and you can see what ya wanna take from it.
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Merging of similar but not exactly the same roms \ tetsuo55 on 12th October 2007, 09:12 wrote:
I have been comparing the list, and indeed i have found some corrections, still have to test some others.
The most of the differences in you dat is the way BS games are merged.
Currently i have only merged BS games that are exactly the same (different dumps of the same game)
However many BS games where episodic, so basically the same game but with different levels, sometimes there is a full game available too.
The problem we run in here is: to merge or not to merge.
Ususally the only differnce would be language, but in these cases (and some full roms too) there are different levels and or gameplay.
My question is:
What is the tolerance level for merging, how much does a game have to differ for it to get its own seperate status? (or how much does it have to be the same for it to be merged?)
My suggestions are:
Only merge subroms(like BS) with parent fullrom, if subrom content is exactly the same as the parent rom. (in other words the bs rom doesnt offer anything new, "(sample)" falls into this category nicely)
Only merge subroms(like BS), which do not conform to above or do not have parent fullroms, if the content of both subroms is the same (for example a redump with a different (but correct) CRC)
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ prince albert on 12th October 2007, 12:25 wrote:
yeah, most of the BS ones I just merged based on the name, so I'm not qualified to comment on that. Like I said, use what you will, once it becomes official no-intro, I'll abide by your dat and re-merge them your way
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ kazumi213 on 12th October 2007, 13:14 wrote:
Ok, I've been working on comparing both P-C lists.
First I've reformatted prince_albert's list. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your list all your archives are "family" archives, even when they only contain one single ROM, so all use untagged naming.
After fixing that, I've found your list was missing 1 ROM:
Harukanaru Augusta 3 - Masters New (Japan) (Rev A)
which I've added.
Then I've found that you've made a lot of "custom" merging, not based on parent-clone relations. I'm not familiarized with SNES, so I'm not sure, but I've removed the following 57 ROMs for a better comparison of both lists:
57 removed:
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B-Dash
BS B-Dash - 2 Gatsugou (Japan)
BS B-Dash - 3 Gatsugou (Japan)
Columbus no Tamagoyaki
BS Columbus no Tamagoyaki - Dai-1-kai (Japan)
BS Columbus no Tamagoyaki - Dai-2-kai (Japan)
BS Columbus no Tamagoyaki - Dai-3-kai (Japan)
Dandan Belt Conveyor
BS Dandan Belt Conveyor - Gyuunyuu no Maki (Japan)
BS Dandan Belt Conveyor - Ukulele no Maki (Japan) [b]
Digital Magazine - Busters BS
BS Digital Magazine - Busters BS 4-12 (Japan)
BS Digital Magazine - Busters BS 5-10 (Japan)
BS Digital Magazine - Busters BS 5-24 (Japan)
BS Digital Magazine - Busters BS 8-23 (Japan)
Do-Re-Mi de Fu 2!
BS Do-Re-Mi de Fu 2! - 5-10 Gou (Japan)
BS Do-Re-Mi de Fu 2! - 5-25 Gou (Japan)
Excitebike - Bunbun Mario Battle Stadium
BS Excitebike - Bunbun Mario Battle Stadium 1 (Japan)
BS Excitebike - Bunbun Mario Battle Stadium 2 (Japan)
BS Excitebike - Bunbun Mario Battle Stadium 3 (Japan) [7CD2]
BS Excitebike - Bunbun Mario Battle Stadium 3 (Japan) [936C]
BS Excitebike - Bunbun Mario Battle Stadium 4 (Japan)
Freud no Chousenjou
BS Freud no Chousenjou - 1 Gou (Japan)
BS Freud no Chousenjou - 2 Gou (Japan)
BS Freud no Chousenjou - 3 Gou (Japan)
BS Freud no Chousenjou - 4 Gou (Japan)
BS Freud no Chousenjou - 5 Gou (Japan)
BS Freud no Chousenjou - 6 Gou (Japan)
Game Tora no Taikoban
BS Game Tora no Taikoban 5-17 (Japan)
BS Game Tora no Taikoban 5-31 (Japan)
Goods Press
BS Goods Press - 3 Gatsugou (Japan)
BS Goods Press - 6 Gatsugou (Japan)
BS Goods Press - 7 Gatsugou (Japan)
Kirby no Omochabako
BS Kirby no Omochabako - Baseball (Japan)
BS Kirby no Omochabako - Guruguru Ball (Japan)
BS Kirby no Omochabako - Hoshi Kuzushi (Japan)
Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets
BS Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets Chousa 1 - Junk-ya Black no Ie (Japan)
BS Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets Chousa 2 - Hanzai Toshi Big Apple (Japan)
BS Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets Chousa 3 - Kyakusen Queen Patra no Nazo (Japan)
Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 1 (Japan)
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 2 (Japan)
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 3 (Japan)
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 4 (Japan)
Marvelous Camp Arnold Course
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course - Dai-1-shuu (Japan)
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course - Dai-2-shuu (Japan)
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course - Dai-3-shuu (Japan)
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course - Dai-4-shuu (Japan)
Marvelous Time Athletic Course
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course - Dai-1-shuu (Japan)
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course - Dai-2-shuu (Japan)
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course - Dai-3-shuu (Japan)
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course - Dai-4-shuu (Japan)
Nintendo HP
BS Nintendo HP - 5-17 Gou (Japan)
BS Nintendo HP - 5-31 Gou (Japan)
Sousa Sentai Wappers
BS Sousa Sentai Wappers - Mission 1 - Sousa Sentai Wappers Kenzan (Japan)
BS Sousa Sentai Wappers - Mission 2 - Kikiippatsu Kou Wapper no Maki (Japan)
BS Sousa Sentai Wappers - Soushuu Hen (Japan)
Tantei Club - Yuki ni Kieta Kako
BS Tantei Club - Yuki ni Kieta Kako - Chuuhen (Japan)
BS Tantei Club - Yuki ni Kieta Kako - Kouhen (Japan)
BS Tantei Club - Yuki ni Kieta Kako - Zenhen (Japan)
Yung Hakase no Shinsatsu Shitsu
BS Yung Hakase no Shinsatsu Shitsu - Dai-1-gou (Japan)
BS Yung Hakase no Shinsatsu Shitsu - Dai-2-gou (Japan)
The result are 2 comparable files excluding the above 57 ROMs. There are still around 260 differences which include custom merging in prince_albert's (to be discarded) and actual missing P-C relations in tetsuo's. So thank you very much prince_albert.
tetsuo please, compare both files and send me a fixed P-C list. Take your time
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ prince albert on 12th October 2007, 13:33 wrote:
my list is from a good merge files.log, so it ignores all tags for set naming. this isnt important. also i used the goodsnes goodmerge xmdb for a starting point, so some of the errors may have come from there also, as well as some guesswork without checking if they belong together. i was more concerned with saving diskspace coz it was a goodmerge p-c list, so i understand that many of the roms which go together in that sense dont actually belong together in a more pure parent-clone dat. but if any of it helps then im glad to contribute.
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ kazumi213 on 12th October 2007, 13:43 wrote:
Of course it helps
It seems there are some missing P-C relations in current SNES P-C DAT. Corrections are always appreciated
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ prince albert on 12th October 2007, 13:53 wrote:
i had a look using Active File Compare, and I see what u mean. A high percentage of the differences are bs-roms and japanese ones ive never played or looked into and just assumed from names. I think there were one or two relationships I missed, which disappoints me, but theres a few im pretty sure belong in there too
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ tetsuo55 on 12th October 2007, 14:25 wrote:
there are bound to be mistakes made, the whole manual selection and editing thing is error prone, but luckily we can all work together to fix any problems we find.
the first p/c dat i made was completely hand picked (what a pain that was!)
This dat is based partly on that hand picked list, and mostly on the snes-xmdb + some common sense. the biggest problem with the xmdb is that its full of roms no-intro does not need and mering is done based on rom-alikeness not based on if its the same game.
I wonder if many other systems suffer from problems like BS games.
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ prince albert on 12th October 2007, 14:35 wrote:
what other sets are you working on? ive also merged my gbmono, mega drive, nes, and n64 sets, so if u want any of these ill find the files.log and post them here. theyve probly got a few errors due to being based originally on the goodxxxx xmdb, but there might be something useful.
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ s4turn3 on 15th October 2007, 19:32 wrote:
Will these become "official" No-Intro dats? If so how does that happen?
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Re: SNES No-Intro Parent-Clone DAT \ kazumi213 on 24th October 2007, 14:32 wrote:
Whether this kind of DAT become official is to be decided by experienced No-Intro Project leaders through internal discussion. Some of them are here since the very beginning of the Project.
It is important to note that this kind of DAT contains the exact same info as the official one. It just tries to add some additional (and optional) functionality.
EDIT:
While tetsuo55 is fixing some p-c relations, I've decided to update the DAT to latest No-Intro 20071019.