Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by Hiccup » 11 Jan 2020 13:52

Tbh I don't mind that much. Its not like the name is the only thing that tells you what the dat is. (There's probably a description field that can be filled out in DoM if need be - or something could be put on the wiki)

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by Sparagas » 05 May 2020 10:08

YES! Finally, PSone classics are in it's separate dat list :)
Tt really was not in place with PSP games.

Not all versions are compatible with all three platforms (PS3, PSP, PSvita),
So I think games, that only work on two or one platforms should have additional info, telling it. Like "Game (PS3 only)".
Or is it too much work, because we need to test all games or look for info online?

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by Landcross » 06 May 2020 07:34

Sparagas wrote:
05 May 2020 10:08
YES! Finally, PSone classics are in it's separate dat list :)
Tt really was not in place with PSP games.

Not all versions are compatible with all three platforms (PS3, PSP, PSvita),
So I think games, that only work on two or one platforms should have additional info, telling it. Like "Game (PS3 only)".
Or is it too much work, because we need to test all games or look for info online?
Do you have some definitive source or proof that some games truly don't work on all three platforms? When deciding on splitting the PS1 games from the PSP datfile, one of the reasons was 'they're not just for psp'. But, a few games are marked as PS3-only on the PSN store, but I believe we came to the conclusion that it was either a licensing issue or an emulator issue (it technically works on PSP, but there are some issues, so Sony decided to not make it available on PSP on the store).

As a side-note: we're a bit in doubt what to do with the other '... classics' games. Should PS2 also get a separate datfile? But then what about the other smaller systems? NeoGeo etc? A ton of tiny datfiles is also a bit weird. But then, putting them all together in a big 'PSN Classics' datfile is also a bit weird as some games are playable on ps3/psp/vita and some ps3 only (mainly the PS2 ones). Does anyone have any opinions on this matter?

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by scyther-grovyle » 06 May 2020 11:08

I think from both a usability standpoint and syntactic standpoint, both a Classics dat with tags for systems and many small dats make sense. You can filter by tag, so I would probably prefer to have a single dat.

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by Landcross » 09 May 2020 09:28

So, that would mean that the following stuff would move to a combined Classics dat:
  • PS1 Classics (from PS1 dat, which came from PSP dat)
  • PS2 Classics (from PS3 dat)
  • PC Engine (from PSP dat)
  • NeoGeo (from PSP dat)
  • TurboGrafx (from PSP dat)
Am I forgetting some?

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by Sparagas » 11 May 2020 10:52

Landcross wrote:
06 May 2020 07:34
Do you have some definitive source or proof that some games truly don't work on all three platforms?
No, only what you said - that some games on official sites ar marked as PS3 Only. From a logical standpoint, PS1 classics are not exclusive to PSP, but to any official Sony console.
I think the mindset should not be "if some game don't work on PSP, can it be in PSP datfile?" but "if some games run on several platforms should it be on specific console datfile (like PSP), or on its own?"
Landcross wrote:
09 May 2020 09:28
So, that would mean that the following stuff would move to a combined Classics dat:
  • PS1 Classics (from PS1 dat, which came from PSP dat)
  • PS2 Classics (from PS3 dat)
  • PC Engine (from PSP dat)
  • NeoGeo (from PSP dat)
  • TurboGrafx (from PSP dat)
Am I forgetting some?
Hmm what about other classic emulated games on other platforms? Like classic NES games on Nintendo consoles? I have no knowledge how they work. Do they have different versions for every console, or also the same ROMS?

Maybe there should be a new unifying rule on how to dat classic emulated games...?
Because when we move forward with new consoles, classic emulated games list will just increase in time.

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Re: Move PSN PSP PSone Classics to separate datfile

Post by scyther-grovyle » 11 May 2020 13:30

Obviously there is two things. The executable of the virtual version, which should be included in the dat of the platform it is run on. And then the files from the emulated platform, which should be included in the dat of the original platform. So you will have a .cia of a Vritual Console release in the 3DS dat, but the NES game it emulates, if it's a new revision, would be included in the NES dat.
Same applies for the Classic I guess. If they can be run on both PS3/PSP, make a dat for the "Classic" executables, and then also add the games emulated to the respective dats.

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